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A good quote from me

from this Chronicles thread:

I agree that most people do not want liberty; that is why we do not have it. IMO those who think we can “win” the battle for liberty are just deluding themselves. Why libertarians, who denounce altruism etc., feel as if it’s some moral duty to go around wasting large parts of their life in some campaign for liberty is beyond me–it’s altruistic; it’s futile; it’s a waste of time, since one is at most barely increasing the odds, that we will temporarily and slightly increase liberty, the puny benefit of which falls primarily on those who do not deserve it.

I have spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done (affecting Yul Brenner Pharao pose)

Coda:

In the wake of some emails, let me add a few clarifying commments. I am not saying that it is a waste of time to try to work for liberty. To the contrary. I am saying that one would have to view it as a waste of time, if one really believed the costs of fighting the battle must be justified by the gains achieved–because one must delude oneself into making the equation balance. I just reject the equation. I help fight for liberty because it is the right thing to do. If I strutted around like some libertarians who claim that in their devotion to the struggle for liberty they are “making a difference”–certainly “more of a difference” than people like me who don’t write “influential books” or a daily op-ed column or give speeches to socialist legislators in Arabia–then if I were honest I would have to say, it’s really not worth it. If the justification for spending time and effort and money etc. to fight for liberty is whether or not we are “winning,” then the project is a failure, on those terms. As I noted above, the actions of most of us at most result in a slightly higher chance at barely, and temporarily, increasing liberty–or, more likely, slowing down the rate of increase in government growth–primarily for the benefit of the masses who at root are to blame for the problem in the first place. And honest analysis realizes this.

Freeing oneself from self-delusion is essential for self-honesty and integrity. It also frees one to take principled positions and to avoid making the dishonest and irritating mistake of judging the truth or value of a theory or view by its “strategical” significance.

I cannot count the number of times some irritating jerk libertarian says to me, in response to a theory or normative proposition, “but that is not going to persuade anyone.” They immediately assume that everything is to be judged by strategy, rhetoric, persuasiveness. I see nothing wrong with using such standards when appropriate. For example if I am proposing a method or argument to persuade people, then it is relevant whether the proposed argument or technique is persuasive. But when I assert to a fellow libertarian that we have a right to such and such, or that there is no right to xyz, for such and such reasons–it is just a non sequitur, a category mistake–and usually smarmy disingenuity, IMO–to say BUT that is not “going to persuade people.” Hey dumbass–I never said it was gonna persuade others. These type of libertarians are in my view basically moral skeptics, relativists, and/or utilitarians. They are incapable of discussing anything normative. Moral talk is simply not “useful.” What good, after all, does it to do identify moral truths, if it does not persuade others?

By this logic, there are no rights violations; there is only power. After all, even if libertarian rights could be proved by the Word of God delivered in an engraved envelope–still, an aggressor could disregard it. “Telling” him that he is violating your rights will “do no good.” Yes. So? And so? What is the point of this elementary school observation? This entire mindset is that of the self-proclaimed “pragmatist” who does not want to say there are no rights–after all, it might be “useful” if some people do believe in them–but he does not really believe in them. He, in engineer-like fashion, cares only about “practical” “results.” And I have no problem with this. But I would prefer they be honest. If I say, “there should be no murder,” don’t say “that’s not practical”; it’s not “impractical”; it’s a normative truth. To say the rule against murder is “impractical” is to fail to distinguish between ought and is.

Every 5-15 years you see some libertarians waxing about how we are winning the battle, or that we can win the battle, all we need to do is… As far back as the 1930s etc…. They have to delude themselves and engage in wishful thinking and rah-rah political rally self-delusion (“we can win! we can win the Presidency! This year we will get 100 million votes if we just get our message out there!!!”). They have to delude themselves because they have bought into the idea that the cost of the fight is a worthwhile “investment” in the struggle to “achieve” liberty. They must believe that worth it to fight for liberty, implying they think we have, or can, achieve suffiient “gains” to “outweigh” the “Costs”. This is naive and wide-eyed gullibility, wishful thinking.

Me–I say, be a libertarian activist if you want (of whatever stripe: more academic, like some of us; a blogger; a writer; join a local discussion group; run for office; donate your time or money to something; help promote economic education and literacy; whatever). I am, myself, to a degree. It’s okay to spend effort on a cause one is passionate about. I expend effort reading science fiction, and don’t seek to justify it w/ some made-up phantom tangible gains. Fight for liberty for its own sake. If you fight for it based on the gains, you will soon give up.

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Peculium, and the State as Overlord

[From my Webnote series]

From a 2005 post on LRC:

Reading Alan Watson’s Roman Law and Comparative Law, I came across this passage, describing the status of slaves in ancient Rome:

A slave could own no property, but from early times it was customary to give the slave a peculium, a fund that he could administer as if it belonged to him. Technically, this sum belonged to the master, but to some extent it was treated as a separate estate with which the master did not interfere except for good reason. [p.40]

It occurred to me that our property and income today is basically merely a peculium (not to be confused with pecunium)–since the state presumes the right to take as much of it as they want, leaving a discretionary amount to us serfs, at their pleasure. Further proof that taxation enslaves.
[continue reading…]

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50 coolest websites

courtesy of Time Magazine. The web-based video games at orisinal are really cool.

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Objectivists on the Space Program

What can one say to this? Except, so typically Objectivist.

The Magnificent Seven Billion
by Ross Elliot
Oh, and how they floated there. Two hundred & twenty miles above the Earth in their spaceship.

We. Our guys. Us.

Shuttle Discovery performs a majestic back flip at 18,000 miles per hour and comes in to dock alongside the space station with nary a jolt. An orbital tango. Twinkling stars and twinkling toes. Fred Astaire in a spacesuit. Perfect.

The hatch opens and through they float. The Magnificent Seven. John Sturges, eat your heart out.

Can you imagine, a scant hundred years ago, in 1905, our ancestors even conjuring up such a scenario? No. Yet there it is. There we are.

The heroism, the adherence to objectivity, the breathtaking concentration of wealth and the focusing thereof: these things make it possible. They make it real.

Seven million pounds of thrust hurls them upward faster than a speeding bullet. Their journey is fraught with peril. It must be, for Man dares to break free of his home. We, who were once helpless babes, decipher and render nature’s power to our own ends, and with supreme confidence in our own destiny, thrust starward.

And, while men on Earth play with their own DNA, Man above toys with the heavens. We burn the candle at both ends and oh! how brightly it burns.

There need never be an end to this. The market, the satisfaction of needs and wants, the mind-blowing accumulation and exploitation of capital, the dreaming, the searching and the attainment.

Everything is possible.

Man is capable and Man is good.

Just get out of his way.

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Will the REAL Tom Palmer Please Stand Up?

See the post on Palmer Periscope; comments should go there.

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Is this Palmer?

See post on Palmer Periscope.

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Wiki on Mises and SPLC

See this post, and comment on it there, if you feel like it. Defend the Mises Insitute from scurrilous charges!

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Kinsella Wiki Entry–Reprise

see Palmer Periscope post here.

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Recent SoloHQ Threads/Posts

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You won’t have Kinsella to kick around anymore

No sirree, the hnn Liberty & Power blog sure won’t.

I got this email today from HNN:

—–Original Message—–
From: Jonathan Dresner [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Stephan Kinsella; Stephan Kinsella
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: HNN Comments Policy

Mr. Kinsella,

Your repeated violations of HNN standards of civility (http://hnn.us/articles/1885.html), compounded with the disrespect again displayed by your display name choices, has finally resulted in your exclusion from these discussions. Your accounts are blocked.

Jonathan Dresner
HNN Assistant Editor

Not only did they block me from posting, they also erased all my previous HNN comments from all threads. Wow. How …. Orwellian. I wonder if it’s run by Randians? Hmm. Now, as these are the same techno-illiterates who recently wiped out two entire comment threads when trying merely to block further commenting, it is possible they in blocking my account they did not mean to erase all my previous comments, but that is what they have done.

I was not surprised to be banned. I’m a little disappointed they deleted my previous posts, as there was some good stuff in there. Oh well. And it was predictable they would ban me, not the instigagor, Tom Palmer. Libertarians have been strangely silent on the maniacal Mr. Palmer’s repeated character smears of certain other libertarians–reminiscent of the time those people in New York walked by as that woman was beaten to death–so I am not surprised they take Palmer’s calumny and smear campaign in stride, while banning me for not lying down and taking it. I think they are too cowardly to attack a prominent Cato-ite. Hmm, could it be that a desire for internships (for the younger) or invitations to conferences and Cato publications of their writing, etc. (for the older) makes them a mite shy at criticizing Palmer, whom they must think silently to themselves, is off his rocker? Anyway, thank God I’m not part of movement libertarianism, and am free to say what I think.

On the very thread that was the last straw, I was abiding by the rules of the forum. Palmer posted two identical, extensive attacks on me after we had both been warned to stop. I refused to take the bait, and merely changed my handle to “Stephan (K-dog) Kinsella.” The hnn editor even gives as a reason for banning me: the “disrespect again displayed by your display name choices”. Ha! K-dog is disrespectful! I believe what happened was the editors wanted to ban me but realized Palmer was far worse; so they latched onto a ridiculous distinction to justify treating us differently–banning me, not banning Palmer. Sure, Palmer is snide and insinuates other libertarians are not “real” libertarians and are, in fact, racists and anti-semites… but this is okay. At least he didn’t call himself P-dog. What a transgression that would have been! Ha ha ha ha!

But HNN does not need a justification. It is their private property. They may do with it as they wish.

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Palmer on Yushchenko

Post on Palmer Periscope.

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Palmer the Victim

Coda to the below: Palmer posts a followup:

A remarkable dodge and an attempt to appear squeaky clean and “respect the rules of the forum.” I have now noticed that a number of the more revolting postings have been removed from Mr. Kinsella’s site. Some still persist as Google caches. I am willing to share some examples of Mr. Kinsella’s idea of enlightened discourse with anyone who has a strong stomach and who wishes to email me. (Mr. Kinsella’s accomplice in setting up the blog where they have devoted so much attention to what their imaginations picture as my private life is Mr. Raimondo’s colleague at antiwar.com, who goes by the handle of “tex.” A nice circle of malice.) Were I a believer in legal responses to such malicious claims, I would have contacted a lawyer. As it is, I hope that pure embarrassment will have some effect on Mr. Kinsella, although I suspect not. Mr. Raimondo’s anonymous colleague “tex” is unlikely to be dissuaded.

Palmer refers to Palmer Periscope as Kinsella’s site–but it is not my site.

And sure, there are revolting posts–in the comment section, by third parties. Sure, some are deleted–I just said I from time to time ask the moderator (Tex) to delete them. Wooo, conspiracy. Wow, I want to have sexually disgusting, offensive, inappropriate comment spam removed from the site where I post. Wow, you got me dead to rights, P-dog.

Palmer also refers to Tex as “my accomplice”. I had nothing to do with the setting up of Palmer Periscope. Someone told me about it after it was already done. Palmer probably does not realize that not only do I not know Tex, I hardly know Raimondo. I met Raimondo one time about 10 years ago, and he probably has forgotten, and I have exchanged perhaps 3 emails with him in my life. If I had set up Palmer Periscope, I would have no compunction in admitting it. Can anyone believe I am shy?

If anyone has a claim for libel, it is the victims of Palmer’s relentless, reckless smearblog.

I also posted:

Tom, in the spirit of civility of this forum, I want to say I love you as a fellow human, despite your many sins. Come home, my son.

But did he take it the right way? Nooooo. Instead, he writes,

Evidently nothing can embarrass Mr. Kinsella, including posting truly vile descriptions of the private parts of other people. Have you no shame at all, Mr. Kinsella? None? Your blog, which I notice you are rapidly cleaning up, has reveled in posting remarkable evidence of a truly twisted personality.

I responded: “Settle down, Beavis.” Somehow, I don’t think he’ll like it.

Anyway– he addresses me directly, finally. Relief! Again, T-dog, Palmer Periscope is not my blog. I don’t recall ever posting, myself, any vile descriptions of others’ private parts. What are you jabbering about, dude?

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On the hnn Liberty & Power thread about civility, Palmer posted a “last word” kind of comment directed, in part, at me (reprinted below).

Quite interesting! But Palmer’s story is as usual laced with untruths.

First: I did not create nor do I run the Palmer Periscope. Nor do I know who did, other than that it is some guy nicknamed “Tex.” It was begun without my knowledge. After Palmer banned me from his site, I contacted PP and asked them to let me post, as it was a natural place to reply to Palmer given that he had (as is his right) banned me from his site. Since then, it has been a useful place to keep the record straight on Palmer’s unceasing flood of dishonest personal attacks. I am not responsible for the site or for what commenters put there.

I did create The Daily Apology website, in part to ridicule the PC-ness of Palmer and his ilk. I don’t know why people keep assuming I run Palmer Periscope, except that I am the only active poster in a while. But I do not.

The sexual comments on that site are in posts by others. Not by me. I honeslty don’t know what the bizarre lunatic who emailed me (and apparently Palmer) is talking about, or who he is. My eyes glaze over at the ravings of lunatics (no offense, Palmer).

He [Kinsella] also submits letters on various web sites under the names of other, living persons … professing very disturbing sexual fantasies about me.

This is simply untrue. In fact I have occasionally asked the moderator to delete comment spam such as Palmer alludes to.

And also: you can scour my writings about Palmer, but I have never resorted to sexual innuendo or comments about Palmer. Despite what he may say or think, I wouldn’t do that for a couple of reasons: (a) it would not be fair; and (b) I am not bigoted against gays in the slightest, as anyone who knows me knows. Notice below Palmer accuses me of sexual innuendo, then gives an example allegedly from my writing that he admits does not have this sexual innuendo. Telling. And in fact, this is not even my writing–it is from a comment by someone else.

Both Mr. Kinsella and Mr. Raimondo have, in response resorted to what normal people would find disgusting sexual innuendo, anatomically explicit remarks, and worse. Here is a printable example from Mr. Kinsella, which contains none of the disgusting sexual references…

Interesting that the example he gives contains no such sexual innuendo. It is because I have not done this, and he obviously cannot find proof of it. He can’t even give an example of something I wrote. Why not? I’m not shy, or lacking for words. Come on, pick from something I wrote, Tom.

Palmer says I put the N-word on his site. This is a lie. I have never posted the actual “N-word” on his site. I did use the euphemism “N-word”. On this thread, I wrote:

Mr. Palmer, speaking of bigotry–I’m just curious. Have you ever used the N-word? Oh hell, I’ll be generous. Since you turned 25. Have you ever use the N-word?

I’ll bet you’ve at least used the word “bigger”. Many times. And that’s very very close to the N-word. Right up to the line of hard-core racism. Sure, almost everyone says “bigger” sometimes. But just because everone does it does not mean it’s justified.

Shame on you. Whether the N-word, or its close-cousin, “bigger”–shame, shame, shame.

Now, the obvious point of this was to illustrate how ridiculous his own hair-trigger PC standards for racism and bigotry are. I was mocking him by showing that if one used similarly ridiculous loose reasoning and associations, one could even argue that the use of the word “bigger” is “almost racism” since the word “bigger” is only one letter away from the N-word. Palmer, in dimwit-Serioso fashion, who has no sense of humor and is so arrogant he simply cannot imagine someone mocking him, ominously intones: “I can’t quite figure out what he’s getting at and the only likely possibilities strike me as quite ugly.”

Oh, relax, T-boy. And by the way, thanks for banning me, and kicking me over to the Palmer Periscope.

The post Palmer alludes to about his character (his not liking or respecting women) was not by me. Someone anonymous posted it. I don’t know who the poster is or who was being quoted.

Palmer accuses me of malice. It is untrue. I have become increasingly outraged at Palmer’s steady stream of malicious, malevolent lies about the character of people I know to be decent and good libertarians, namely people such as Lew Ro
ckwell, Hans Hopppe, Tom DiLorenzo, Tom Woods… He has gone on the attack and plays the victim when someone stands up to him. My actions are defensive. He attacks people; I defend them from his unfair attacks. It is malicious to attack people unfairly, not to defend against these attacks.

A final note. Palmer writes: “I am willing to have a discussion (elsewhere, to be sure) of their [Raimondo’s and Kinsella’s] commitment to the principles of liberty, which I do seriously doubt…” Gee, Thanks, Mr. Palmer, but I am not exactly looking for your seal of approval.

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Here is Palmer’s post:

NOTE: I posted this above, but it ended up in the midst of a long thread. It seemed appropriate that it be a stand-alone entry. I apologize for it appearing twice.

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Well, I hate to do so, especially since Mr. Kuznicki closed his comments for a reason. But as I have been accused of “unfair attacks” by Mr. Kinsella (see #64673 above), let me mention that Mr. Kinsella has devoted a great deal of time to creating an entire website, a great deal of which is dedicated to very strange sexual fantasies regarding myself, including a great deal of free use of such terms as “man meat,” “throbbing pole,” and worse. He also submits letters on various web sites under the names of other, living persons (one of whom wrote to me today and I suggested that he contact a lawyer to ask about issues of malicious misrepresentation) professing very disturbing sexual fantasies about me. The behavior is not only distasteful, but evidence of deeper problems. (I might also mention Mr. Kinsella’s posting of the “N” word all over my web site before I banned his IP.) Similarly, Mr. Raimondo, who has also professed such sweet innocence, regularly relies on references to anal sex in referring to me in print on a variety of web sites, a practice he has also used with regard to Andrew Sullivan.

I have, it is certainly true, questioned the commitment of the above-mentioned persons to the principles of libertarianism for reasons that I have detailed elsewhere. I find affiliations with spokesmen for anti-Semitic and racist causes far more than distasteful, but a serious black mark on the good name of libertarianism. Both Mr. Kinsella and Mr. Raimondo have, in response resorted to what normal people would find disgusting sexual innuendo, anatomically explicit remarks, and worse. Here is a printable example from Mr. Kinsella, which contains none of the disgusting sexual references but gives one a sense of what Mr. Kinsella considers appropriate:

*****

A friend who knows about this Palmer person told me the following, which makes sense. Palmer makes personal attacks on others, while his own character is what is at issue:

Tom is the type of gay man who deeply and actively hates women. He has so little respect for women that he does not even wait for women to turn their backs before sinking in the rusted knife. He thinks women are so stupid that they will not notice or, perhaps, their noticing is beneath his notice. There is nothing decent within that shell of a human being.

This person wanted to remain anonymous, but is a trustworthy source.

*****

People who know Mr. Raimondo and Mr. Kinsella, both of whom have have painted themselves as maligned and badly treated persons, are aware of the depths of their malice. I am willing to have a discussion (elsewhere, to be sure) of their commitment to the principles of liberty, which I do seriously doubt, and of the damage I believe they do by allying themselves with undeniably anti-libertarian persons and causes. I am not, however, willing to descend to the depths that they have plumbed.

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