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Doctorow on Bit Copying

I was talking with Kevin Carson about the problems with the “contractual” model of IP “that so many people grab at in desperation” (for more on this see here and here). Carson said:

As Cory Doctorow put it, a computer is a machine for copying bits. If you put a cultural artifact into bits, it’s going to get copied. And anybody whose business model depends on stopping people from copying bits is f*cked, plain and simple. As horrifyingly accurate a prediction as Stallman’s “Right to Read” is of the copyfascists ideal world, I think it’s about as plausible a threat as Khrushchev’s plan to catch up with the West by 1970.

See A very long talk with Cory Doctorow, part 1; also Cory Doctorow, Microsoft Research DRM talk and Copying Is What Bits Are For.

[Against Monopoly cross-post]

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Robert Cray on the Music Industry in the face of Copying

As reported here:

AP: Speaking of technology, how has the band been affected by the digital turn the music industry’s taken?

Cray: Not too many people get the million-selling plaques anymore and all that stuff like that. And a lot of bands survived just on selling records and didn’t think about touring so much. And a lot of bands based their whole careers on just getting that one hit. But it has affected a band such as ours, but only in a different way. I mean, it would nice to have had the same kind of sales more recently as we had in the past, but we started playing in bars and as long as it’s fun, we’ll continue to do so.

[Against Monopoly cross-post]

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From Horwitz’s post “Mises and His (Apparent) Call for 100% Reserves” at “Coordination Problem” (formerly The Austrian Economists).

Steve,

Putting aside what Mises thought, it seems to me clear on libertarian principles that as capitalist acts between consenting adults are not aggression and are thus permissible, fractional reserve banking is fine on libertarian grounds so long as there is no fraud. Do you agree with this?

However, given the immense potential for confusion–customers are told they are “depositors” and they often think their money is “in” the bank; while most of it is lent out and thus they get interest–deposit should be distinguished from a loan. The customer should be apprised that he is receiving a credit instrument. Do you agree?

Any claims that he is “guaranteed” to be able to get his money out at any time are also problematic since a run is at least possible. So the “guarantee” language should not be used; this is especially so if the frbnotes contain a suspension clause. Do you agree?

If so, then the only dispute remaining is a purely economic one. You think frbnotes, credit instruments, can circulate as money; some Rothbardians do not (I am not sure). You think it’s possible to have a stable freebanking system that is able to arrange its affairs so as to avoid runs; some Rothbardians do not (I do not). You think the ability of freebanks to expand the supply of money in response to increased demand for money is economically useful, for “stickiness” and similar “market failure” [or so I perceive this argument] reasons; Rothbardians do not (I do not; it seems to me that there is no stickiness problem that needs a solution; and that the freebankers implicitly and fallaciously equate fiduciary money created out of thin air with wealth).

Do you agree that the economic issues in the last paragraph are the basic crux of disagreement between freebankers and 100% reservers? It seems to me that in a free society freebankers would be free to try to set this up; and we would see what happens. (Yes, I know some of you think we have historical evidence already; but the point is the libertarians ought to have no real dispute here; and the economists can either debate on apriori grounds, or on empirical ones–on the latter, one approach is to just try it and see what happens.)

By the way I gather at least some of you freebankers would prefer a 100% reserve gold standard to the current federal reserve fiat money fractional reserve system; and I know I would prefer your private freebanking fractional reserve system to the current centralized statist version of fractional reserve system.

 

Posted by: Stephan Kinsella | September 04, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Stephan (or is it Stephen? 🙂 ),

Easy part first: I think your summary of the economic issues in the 4th paragraph is pretty much right on. Not sure I’d say “market failure” but I understand what you’re getting at (it’s only “mf” if one holds perfectly flexible prices as your ideal market, which I would think good Mengerians would not). Those are the crux of it though.

As for the first part: a fractional reserve bank deposit is indeed a loan as well as a deposit. The contract one signs upon getting a checking account should say that (as I believe they generally do). I will note, though, that my own experience with students and friends is that almost everyone understands that not all of their money is literally “in” the bank and that it’s being lent out. Even so, the contract should make this clear.

And yes, the contract should make no stronger claims about the bank’s obligation to redeem on demand being fulfilled than any other contract should about its terms being fulfilled. If you agree to hire me to perform a task, I can’t “guarantee” that I will perform it, I can only promise or agree to. If I break it, then I’m in breach and legal remedies should be applied. Same with demand deposits. If there’s a suspension clause, it’s gotta be there too.

I object to 100% reservers claiming “fraud” for what is really “breach of contract” given that checking account agreements do provide the requisite information.

In short: the notion that fractional reserves are fraudulent has always been absurd to me. Demand deposit contracts should (and do) spell out the terms clearly. If we agree on the “capitalist acts” point, then the dispute is indeed an economic one over the issues you raise.

 

Posted by: Steve Horwitz | September 04, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Steve:

“Not sure I’d say “market failure” but I understand what you’re getting at”

Right. I am critical of the freebankers’ very view that there is a problem that needs a solution; akin to the false problem of “market failure” that many statists point to. (On this see Salerno’s comments ( http://thinkmarkets.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/auction-markets-and-optimally-sticky-prices/ ) about “sticky” prices, arguing that this notion is an illusion and can’t be invoked as an argument for adjusting the supply of money to variations in its demand.)

“As for the first part: a fractional reserve bank deposit is indeed a loan as well as a deposit.”

? Do you mean the reserve part is a deposit? I suppose so but the problem is that in a straight deposit, the funds of depositors would be pooled as an “irregular deposit” (see Huerta de Soto on this, p. 4 http://www.mises.org/books/desoto.pdf ). But in this case the sum of things depositied is sufficient to cover the entire total of deposits, since it stays in the vault. So as a customer I am indifferent to having, say, ownership of 1 oz coil in a safety deposit box, or 1% ownership of a 100 oz. fungible sum–except that the cost of the former is higher.

But in your case if you say there is a 10% reserve ratio, then 10% of the money handed over is kept in an irregular deposit, but my 1% interst in it is not worth 1 oz. but only 1/10 oz. I mean I am not indifferent, as I would be in the case above. Unless you say the part that is a deposit is only for the 10% of my account value. But the problem with this is if I ask for all of my money you will use the gold to satisfy it. So it’s very confusing to regard it as part deposit. I think it is not part deposit. It’s misleading to say so.

“The contract one signs upon getting a checking account should say that (as I believe they generally do). I will note, though, that my own experience with students and friends is that almost everyone understands that not all of their money is literally “in” the bank and that it’s being lent out. Even so, the contract should make this clear.”

Good. But I do not think most people understand exactly what is going on. They seem to want to have it both ways (no offense, freebankers :)–they want it to be “in” the bank and to get interest too.

“And yes, the contract should make no stronger claims about the bank’s obligation to redeem on demand being fulfilled than any other contract should about its terms being fulfilled. If you agree to hire me to perform a task, I can’t “guarantee” that I will perform it, I can only promise or agree to.”

I agree with this, unless by your choice of words you mean to imply that even a depositary can’t “guarantee” it either. I mean I agree with you, so long as you recognize the categorical distinction between the ability of the depositary-custodian in the case of an irregular deposit, to repay, and the ability to guarantee it in the case of fractional reserves. They are similar only in that in both cases it’s possible for the bank to be unable to meet its promise–but in the case of the irregular deposit this can happen only if there is a violation of the depositary contract (embezzlement), or some kind of random accident (fire) that could be insured against.

“I object to 100% reservers claiming “fraud” for what is really “breach of contract” given that checking account agreements do provide the requisite information.”

Well in my view the 100% reservers have a point given their (in my view justified) view that the origins of fractional reserve are mired in fraud and confusion (I think Huerta de Soto is good on this), and also, based on their economic view of the futility and indeed instability of freebanking, in their suspicion that it’s highly prone to fraud. But I do agree with you that so long as the nature of the arrangement is spelled out, there is no fraud. But I will say that I have sensed many times in the people on your side of this debate a reluctance to agree to the freebanks giving complete and clear disclosure, as if you guys are afraid that too much disclosure will make it impossible for the FRB to get off the ground. I coudl be wrong about this, but I have sensed it and think I could dig up quotes … but anyway, glad you don’t object to this and would be willing to put your system to the test of full disclosure.

“In short: the notion that fractional reserves are fraudulent has always been absurd to me.”

It’s not so absurd if you understand the opponents view of the history of it, the state’s involvement with banking and the origins of frb plus its current involvement with centralized state-run frb; and with their view that freebanking is so inherently unstable and rickety that for it to ever exist there pretty much had to be fraud involved somewhere–I don’t agree with this compeltely, but their reasoning is sufficient to give cause for suspicion and hard scrutiny of the potentially fraudulent nature of this arrangement. But in the end, just as I do not think a ponzi scheme is fraudulent, I do not think FRB (inherently) is.

Further, on the face of it, there is a colorable charge of fraud: you are calling something a “deposit” that is NOT a deposit.

Jake:

“I still don’t understand the economic argument in favor of 100% reserves. How are loans made? Through CDs and mutual funds?”

Basically, through a promissory note. A mutual fund is more like an irregular deposit: you own a pro-rata share of the assets of the fund, which include securities such as stocks and bonds. I don’t think anyone thinks you can’t have loans without fractional reserve banking. The libertarian question is whether handing out frbnotes in exchange for “deposits,” and loaning out 90% of this money, and the customers then circulating these notes “as money” is unlibertarian; it is not, in my view. The economic question is whether this system addresses a real problem, or whether it’s nothing but an unstable shell game.

Posted by: Stephan KinsellaSeptember 04, 2009 at 01:56 PM

Stephan:

I’m not going to debate the legal questions with you because I think DeSoto has it all messed up as George notes in the other thread and as Larry has argued in his review of the book (and his wonderful FEE lecture this summer). His language is all question-begging and ahistorical (in my view), so what we’ll end up doing is arguing over definitions, which will get us nowhere.

Rather than do that, let’s just agree that the crux of the debate is over the economic issues you noted in your first comment. And, to be honest, I’m really burned out on debating those issues after doing so for much of my week at FEE this summer, not to mention on the blogs over the last few months.

Your summary of the issues at stake is good enough for me and now I’m happy to turn the debate over to others for awhile – if for no other reason than I’m headed out for a departmental party in about an hour.

Steve, sounds good–but don’t be bummed. Look on the bright side–people who care about truth and ideas things this stuff is important enough to debate in peaceful fashion.

As for de Soto, I haven’t read the whole book, and from what I gather, I would not agree w/ some of his conclusions (if he has the per-se fraud view) but I do think some of his legal classifications and history of how the legal classifications changed or were manipulated over time, are useful. But I agree we should not debate by semantics, a tactic that drives me bonkers.

Let’s just agree for now that I am magnanimous enough to let you try to be a ponzi-scheming huxter in our free market, and will even try to help you out when your burned customers try to tar and feather you. 🙂

Stephan,

Thanks for the response but it was more of a rhetorical question. My point is that I see the causality in regard to the evolution of FRB in a different way than Rothbard does. In Rothbard’s account, as you know, banking was originally just a money warehouse business. Only later did banks realize they could loan out their deposits and earn a return for both themselves and the depositors.

The way I see it, it is the opposite. Anyone can store their own money but not everyone can make loans by themselves. Banking may have begun in some cases as a way for individuals to make collective loans. In this view, it is demand deposits (modern checking accounts for example) that come later when banks compete to provide liquidity to their depositors. I don’t have any historical evidence for this and I don’t know if it is a widespread view but if it is true it would seem to invalidate the case for 100% reserve banking.

In your example of promissory notes, the notes themselves could begin circulating like money and then the system would be no different from FRB. I don’t see any reform, other than a strict ban on the circulation of these types of instruments, that could prevent this.

Jake: “In your example of promissory notes, the notes themselves could begin circulating like money and then the system would be no different from FRB. I don’t see any reform, other than a strict ban on the circulation of these types of instruments, that could prevent this.”

I don’t think anything could or should prevent it other than economic reality. In my view the notes could not serve as money or money substitutes, and if there was a fractional reserve aspect to them then the system would be prone to runs. But who knows.

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Google Patents Its Home Page Layout

You can’t make this stuff up.

As reported on Patently-O,

Earlier this week, the USPTO issued a design patent to Google that covers the “ornamental design for a graphical user interface [GUI] … as shown and described.” Pat. No. D. 599,372. Design patent coverage is essentially defined by the images include in the issued patent. Here, the image looks roughly the same as the company’s ubiquitous Google.com homepage. (See image below.)

To be clear, many patent professionals would argue that it is misleading to ever simply call this “a patent.” Rather, it is a design patent. Design patents have severely limited scope, only cover ornamental designs rather than technological advances, and are very frequently found invalid when challenged in court. The USPTO has been granting design patent protection for screen shots and icons for many years. However, to my (limited) knowledge, none of those design patents have ever been enforced in court. …

Dashed or “ghost” lines in the drawing indicate features that are not claimed. Thus, patent would be infringed by someone using an identical layout even if they replaced the “Google” mark with their own mark. You can note at the bottom that the design patent drawing is marked with a circle-c ©. That indicates that Google is also claiming copyright protection for this layout. In addition, in the design patent, Google indicates that it is also claiming trademark protection for portions of the layout and – perhaps – for the layout as a whole.

[Against Monopoly cross-post]

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The Case Against IP: A Concise Guide,” by Stephan Kinsella, Mises Daily (Sept. 4, 2009).

“The time is ripe to concisely restate the basic libertarian case against IP and provide links to some of the key anti-IP publications.
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[Mises cross-blog; Against Monopoly cross-blog]

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Socialist Facebook Meme

In response to this idiotic Facebook status meme making the rounds: “[user name] No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day,” I set my own Facebook status, per Anthony Gregory’s suggestion to:

Stephan Kinsella thinks no one should die being bombed, shot or tortured by the U.S. government. The same institution that has murdered and imprisoned millions of innocents and loots trillions on behalf of Wall Street will never have the best interests of the weakest people in mind. More government control over medicine will only empower the imperialists in DC. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.

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Data Mapping Difficulties

outlook sync map1Technology drives me nuts. I have gone 100% Mac at home, and love my iPhone, but I still have a PC at work. So the Outlook calendar needs to be on my iPhone and also preferably on my Macs (an Air and an iMac). Until recently what I did was use google’s sync program to sync Outlook with google calendar; and I synced iCal on my two Macs with google calendar too. And the iPhone uses exchange to get to my Outlook calendar.

One problem with this is that google calendar is limited in some of the recurring events functionality; so I need to create it in Outlook or iCal.  Anyway now I have Snow Leopard and got Exchange working with that–see red lines. So now in iCal I see the same event twice: once locally, and once in the exchange account. That’s fine because I can not show one of them. If I cut the google sync between Outlook and Calendar, then my local calendar evens on iCal will not sync any more to Outlook, and thus won’t show up on my iPhone. So I have to keep using google sync between Outlook and Google Calendar anyway … rendering Snow Leopard exchange (for calendar) superfluous. I have thought about using Mobile Me (green) to sync all this together too. It’s just a mess. Auuggh.

For now I think I’ll skip Mobile Me, and use Snow Leopard’s exchange only for local address book and mail syncing, but not for calendar, since that’s handled already with the above approach.

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Microsoft Wants Galactic Patent

Despite a potentially crippling patent injunction against selling Word that Microsoft is battling on appeal, Microsoft, via a senior lawyer, is nevertheless calling for a global patent system “to make it easier and faster for corporations to enforce their intellectual property rights around the world”. Yep–despite the big hit they just took due to i4i’s patent, Microsoft is concerned about the “unmanageable backlogs and interminable pendency periods” of national patent systems, which have 3.5 million patents pending. You heard that right–Microsoft thinks more is “needed to be done to allow corporations to protect their intellectual property.” What, do they want i4i to be able to get sextuple, instead of just triple, damages? To jail Microsoft board members?

Microsoft’s lawyer repeats the tired old bunk about patents being necessary to promote innovation, yada yada — “By facing the challenges, realizing a vision, overcoming political barriers, and removing procedural obstacles we can build a global patent system that will promote innovation, enrich public knowledge, encourage competition and drive economic growth and employment.”

Two good things about this: (a) a global system would, possibly, reduce the number of patent lawyers; and (b) I was feeling sorry for Microsoft over the Word injunction, but now don’t need to anymore.

Update: Let me add that I think this has no chance of happening. The patent lawyers in countries around the world would block it. The way the system works now, you file a patent application first in your home country, and within a year or two (depending on whether you use the Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) or Paris Convention procedures), you can file corresponding patent applications in other countries or regions claiming a priority date based on your first country’s filing date. But you have to pay filing fees, sometimes translation fees (which can be astronomical), local attorney fees, and local maintenance fees in each country you want the patent to issue in. Let’s say it costs $15-20k for a patent to be filed and ultimately issued in the US. Well you might want to have the patent filed also in, say, the European Union, Japan, China, Brazil, Canada, India. So now we are up to well over $100k-200k.  And that is not even global. Under a global system presumably you would file once and it would be enforceable in every country in the world party to the treaty. It might be more expensive than the current $20k for a single country but far less than cost of filing in multiple countries now. So presumably under a global system, you would file a patent infringement suit in the appropriate court, and if you win, you just take the judgment to local courts in whatever countries the defendant is competing with you and have that country’s courts enforce the judgment as a mere formality.

This would make global patents easier and cheaper to get and easier and cheaper to enforce. Presumably people would want to use European or American local patent examining offices for quality purposes, so it would tend to put out of work the patent bar in “Southern” (third world) countries. You can expect a mobilized patent bar in most countries to fight this. Such proposals have been around for decades, and never go anywhere. Thank God for protectionist lawyers!

[Mises Blog cross-post; Against Monopoly cross-post]

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Happy Birthday, Hans!

hoppe-schulak-siemens-2005Today, Professor Hoppe turns 60–happy birthday, Hans!

In honor of his birthday and achievements in the cause of economic science and liberty, he was presented with the Property, Freedom, and Society: Essays in Honor of Hans-Hermann Hoppe festschrift at the end of July during Mises University 2009–about a month early. And today, the Google books version has gone up too.

[Mises blog cross-post; LRC cross-post]

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Volume 3 of Rothbard’s History of Economic Thought

It’s a tragedy Rothbard died in 1995, before he could finish his History of Economic Thought series. At the time of his death, he had only published volumes I and II (epub and PDF files available here). However, as noted in the Mises store entry for Vol. III, The History of Economic Thought: From Marx to Hayek, although he “died before he could write his third volume of his famous History of Economic Thought that would cover the birth and development of the Austrian School, through the Keynesian Revolution and Chicago School,” “he had already mapped out the entire project.” And, it turns out: it’s on tape! “Fortunately, the Mises Institute had Rothbard lecture on his discoveries and analysis of this period while he was researching the topic. The tapes were only recently discovered. We re-mastered them, and put them on a single MP3-CD: nearly seven hours of lectures.”

See links in The History of Economic Thought: From Marx to Hayek, with links below; see also these youtube playlists: 1, 2.

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Note:  The links below now also contain transcriptions of the lectures (thanks to a donation from Thomas Topp), which I have stitched together as a single file (PDF).

Update: Many of these links are now broken by mises.org. See above links for current media.

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[From my Webnote series]

Related:

From Mises blog. Archived comments below.

The question of how to objectively determine damages for negligence (tort) in a libertarian system often arises. There is not much solid, libertarian analysis out there on this issue–the answers are usually either positivistic and assume some presumptive validity of common law rules; or they are libertarian but without much mooring in any coherent libertarian legal theory.

I don’t have a fully-developed view of this but I have touched on these matters in some publications and have always meant to return to this issue. I haven’t done so yet, but given the lack of much systematic libertarian treatment of this I will set forth below some tentative thoughts on how to approach this issue. [continue reading…]

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At Recovery or Stagnation?, a Mises Circle held in San Francisco on August 29, 2009, there was a great Speakers’ Panel featuring Walter Block, Thomas DiLorenzo, Douglas French, and Robert Murphy. Great comments on the current financial mess.

One thing that especially interested me were Walter Block’s comments from about 12:45 to 13:35, where he distinguishes between economic theory and one’s ability to predict or forecast. Sure, having a sound understanding of theory can help, but it cannot make your predictions foolproof. For example one’s understanding of the business cycle might lead you to recommend buying gold; but then the state might confiscate gold soon after that.

This brings to mind some discussions I’ve had about the nature of economics and its role in investing or forecasting. My view is the Misesian-Rothbardian-Hoppean one, which I understand to be that the future is uncertain, but not radically so; that knowledge of economics laws can help, ceteris paribus–but that usually other factors are dominant. The skill of forecasting is called the understanding, or verstehen; but it is not merely “luck,” as some in thrall to monism-scientism are wont to deride it. Peter Klein mentioned to me that the question of why or how someone has the better skill at forecasting is really meta-economics—more of a psychological field, which is studied at Effectuation, from a Kirznerian perspective. It could be that one reason Austrian investors don’t dominate is that economic understanding only gives you a second order marginal advantage over others, that psychological or other factors are more important.

In other words, the better your economic understanding, the better a forecaster you can be. The future, while uncertain, is not radically so, and knowledge of economics helps constrain the possibilities. So ceteris paribus someone with a better understanding of economics would be a better investor. The problem is the ceteris is not usually that paribus; that economic knowledge is only a small factor of investing success, since it depends also on other factors, which apparently usually tend to dominate-other factors such as the possession of capital to invest; your access to certain knowledge or data; and your investing ability or knack, the leftover part that is more art, that Mises called verstehen. Possible, in times of a typical Austrian business cycle bust, sound economics could play a bigger role in one’s ability to forecast, which could explain why Austrians like Schiff and others are standing out right now.
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