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Reply to Horwitz on Racism

In a post by Brian Doherty on the Reason Hit & Run blog, Some Notes of Possible Relevance to Some Recent Unpleasantness Regarding Tolerance and Libertarians, there’s an interesting exchange in the comments, between Sheldon Richman, Eric Dondero, and Steve Horwitz. Horwitz had written:

Steve Horwitz | January 17, 2008, 9:23am | #

Dondero doesn’t help himself by questioning Sheldon Richman’s libertarian credentials. Get real.

The point Sheldon makes is the one I’d make too. It’s one thing, as a libertarian, to defend the right of racists to say racist things and even if we as individuals choose not to associate with them, we should still be vigilant in defending their right to free speech.

However, when people calling themselves libertarians are pandering to racists and either outright saying or strongly implying that such beliefs are part of what it means to be a libertarian, then it’s a whole other issue. (And I use “racism” as a cover term for all kinds of odious stuff.) Then libertarians who find such views offensive have every right to engage in a more aggressive sort of shunning and one that suggests that presenting such arguments *as libertarian arguments* is not a position that can be tolerated.

To me, when self-proclaimed libertarians suggest that racist views are part of libertarianism, it feels just like someone is calling me a racist. Not only is it false, it does damage to my name and reputation, and I feel justified in saying “you’re wrong and shut the hell up.”

As one example, it troubles me no end that there seems to be a generation of young libertarians who believe that it is part of libertarianism to defend the South in the Civil War. (Obligatory caveat – this does not mean I think Lincoln was a saint, ok?) Such an argument need not be racist but it certainly can be, or can be easily misconstrued that way. In any case, libertarianism per se requires no such view of the Civil War.

The problem here is what I’ve called “libertarian contrarianism,” by which I mean the belief that some libertarians seem to have that if you are libertarian, you must reject all “conventional wisdom.” Hence, some libertarians attack those who attack racism, deny evolution or deny/minimize the Holocaust, defend the South/attack Lincoln in ways that can’t be supported by historical scholarship, etc.

It’s the mindset of a 16 year old who just assumes everything his/her parents say is full of shit. (Trust me, I have one of these creatures.) Pandering to racists etc has reduced pieces of the libertarian movement to intellectual adolescence. The newsletter fiasco might be our cue to be more consistently grown up.

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My reply to Horwitz:

Stephan Kinsella | January 18, 2008, 6:03pm | #

Steve Horwitz: “However, when people calling themselves libertarians are pandering to racists and either outright saying or strongly implying that such beliefs are part of what it means to be a libertarian, then it’s a whole other issue. … To me, when self-proclaimed libertarians suggest that racist views are part of libertarianism, it feels just like someone is calling me a racist. … As one example, it troubles me no end that there seems to be a generation of young libertarians who believe that it is part of libertarianism to defend the South in the Civil War. (Obligatory caveat – this does not mean I think Lincoln was a saint, ok?) Such an argument need not be racist but it certainly can be, or can be easily misconstrued that way.

“… The problem here is what I’ve called “libertarian contrarianism,” by which I mean the belief that some libertarians seem to have that if you are libertarian, you must reject all “conventional wisdom.” Hence, some libertarians attack those who attack racism, deny evolution or deny/minimize the Holocaust, defend the South/attack Lincoln in ways that can’t be supported by historical scholarship, etc.”

Steve, let me agree with much of this. Racism is immoral, and is certainly not part of libertarianism. Of course, this does not justify falsely accusing others of racism; that is itself immoral (and libelous). And this is what many of the cosmotards continue to do.

As for the War of Northern Aggression–the same cosmotard libertarian centralist compromisers continually refer to anyone who brings up secession and the unconstitutionality (and illegality) of the Civil War, or a critic of Lincoln, as a neo-confederate and a “defender” of the CSA South a neo-confederate and apologist for slavery. It mystifies me why any libertarian would ever have harsh words for libertarians critical of Lincoln! This is utter ignorance or madness. As for the Civil War, it is a perfectly legitimate view to believe that it was immoral, unnecessary, unconstitutional, and illegal, without favoring slavery (e.g. abolitionist Lysander Spooner’s views). Or even without “defending” the South. For example I view with contempt the Rebel Flag waving neo-confederate hokum; I do not defend the South *or* the CSA (in fact they had no right to exist, or to keep slaves or to keep slavery legal; or to conscript soldiers to fight, etc.). Yet this does not mean there is anything wrong or unlibertarian with a sober analysis of the constitutional and moral flaws with Lincoln’s actions too.

In addition, there has been a gradual (unconstitutional) federal centralization of power in this country, dating back since the Civil War (if not before), and it has increasingly ignored the constitutional fetters placed on it. This results in more death and destruction, more unleashed power of the state, so waht in the hell is wrong with naming some of the origins of these troubling trends? Has PC infected part of our movement so much we cower in fear to soberly and honestly diagnose historical origins of the evils of our current marauding central state? What is wrong with the PC crowd …? they are so distracted by all the PC concerns that they overlook, or bash, legitimate libertarian inquiry and concerns.

So I agree that libertarians should not “defend the South” in the Civil War because slavery was evil and because states are evil, and war is evil. Of course, one not need “defend the South” to criticize Lincoln or his immoral war.

You say that the argument against Lincoln or his war “need not be racist but it certainly can be, or can be easily misconstrued that way.”

I don’t know of any libertarians who oppose Lincoln’s war because it freed the slaves. Every libertarian I know, without exception, opposes slavery. So I have no idea how libertarian opposition to Lincoln or the war coudl even have a racist component. And yes, it obviously “can be easily misconstrued that way” since so many cosmotarians repeatedly do this–but I didn’t know it was so easy to be so dishonest and vile.

“Hence, some libertarians attack those who attack racism,”

Yes, usually because “those who attack racism” do so either unfairly (by using such a broad brush the unfairly label non-racists as racist) or unjustly (by using the power of the state to outlaw racism). I would agree, however, that we ought as a general matter to be opposed to real racism; but this view, too, is not part of libertarianism, just what decent humans should do.

“deny evolution or deny/minimize the Holocaust,”

Well, I don’t think we are obligated as libertarians to accept evolution (though I do); and I don’t personally know any libertarians who deny the Holocaust. As for “minimizing” it, unless you are referring to recognizing *other* genocidal murders that are also to be condemned (China, USSR, etc.), I don’t know any libertarian who minimizes it either; all libertarians I know of course oppose slavery and murder, including mass murder. So you must know a different young breed than I do.

“defend the South/attack Lincoln in ways that can’t be supported by historical scholarship, etc.”

I assume here you are talking about DiLorenzo, who has done heroic work attacking the terrible statist, racist, and UNlibertarian Abe Lincoln. Even if you don’t like Tom’s scholarship, this has nothing to do with racism, or libertarianism, or the ridiculous, self-embarrassing charges being made by the Palmers and Sandefurs of the world.

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Michael Kinsley on the Rise of the Libertarians

See also Jesse Walker, The Kinsley Retort.

Re: The Rise of the Libertarians

Posted by Stephan Kinsella on October 19, 2007 04:46 PM

Lew, Kinsley’s article is interesting and insightful, and frustrating and dishonest or confused at the same time. I like that he sees there is little difference between the Republicans and Democrats and identifies the real tension as between libertarians and communitarians–this axis makes much more sense than left/right. I also like that he admits that “Communitarians tend to be bossy, boring and self-important, if they’re not being oversweetened and touchy-feely” and that “Libertarians, by contrast, are not the selfish monsters you might expect.” He also recognizes that libertarians are more tolerant of dissent than communitarians.

He also makes an interesting and subtle point that the fascism that libertarians see as their opposite is represented in America by communitarianism (though it is not “infinitely” milder). And it’s good that he acknowledges explicitly that “communitarians … believe that group responsibilities (to family, community, nation, the globe) should trump individual rights.” Bravo. I wish more (mild) fascists would be so honest about their anti-individualism.On the other hand, as you note that Rune Østgård comments, Kinsley smears Paul or his supporters as being rich, smart, complacently Darwinian loners, who are opposed to “society.” Kinsley is too smart to believe this; so this seems, unfortunately, to be simply his dishonest attempt to smear and frame the debate.

Take also these comments: “To oversimplify somewhat less, Democrats aren’t always for Big Government, and Republicans aren’t always against it.” The latter is true, but when are Demonrats ever against big government?

And this: “Democrats treasure civil liberties, whereas Republicans are more tolerant of government censorship to protect children from pornography, or of wiretapping to catch a criminal, or of torture in the war against terrorism.” Demrats do not treasure civil liberties at all. Consider their support of the following policies, laws, or institutions, all of which stifle civil liberties or freedom of speech: government schools; affirmative action; anti-discrimination laws; campus speech codes; related double standards; restrictions on commercial speech; high taxation. As for Republicans being “more tolerant” of censorship, wiretapping, and torture, I don’t buy it. They are all a bunch of fascists.

He also says: “War in general and Iraq in particular–certainly Big Government exercises–are projects Republicans tend to be more enthusiastic about.” Except for the War Between the States (I count Lincoln as a Demonrat, since they claim him), World War I, World War II, Viet Nam… and even the Iraq War (Hillary and her ilk supported it too, and you can bet that if it had gone “well,” they’d be crowing about it; I even suspect that had Bush not invaded Iraq, the members of the Democrat Party would now be attacking him for not doing anything about Saddam).

Our boy goes on: “Likewise the criminal process: Republicans tend to want to make more things illegal and to send more people to jail for longer.” Oh really? I don’t hear Demonrats out there promoting drug legalization, or makign tax evasion a merely civil offense.

And: “Republicans also consider themselves more concerned about the moral tone of the country, and they are more disposed toward using the government in trying to improve it.” Except for those bossy, statist, self-important, smug, moralizing communitarians, right, Kinsley?

Further: “In particular, Republicans think religion needs more help from society, through the government, while Democrats are touchier about the separation of church and state.” Sure, because for them, the State is their religion.

“… Republicans have a clearer vision of what constitutes a good society and a well-run planet and are quicker to try to impose this vision on the rest of us.” Excuse me? How about the Kyoto Treaty, affirmative action, CAFE standards, government school taxes and compulsory education?

Continues our RP smearer-in-chief: “Very few Democrats self-identify as libertarians, but they are in fact much more likely to have a live-and-let-live attitude toward the lesbian couple next door or the Islamofascist dictator halfway around the world.” There is a grain of truth in the latter (except, of course, for the Demonrat support for the Iraq invasion, but let’s forget that). But I don’t think Demonrats are significantly more tolerant of the lesbian couple next door than the typical Republican is, unless by “tolerance” you mean support for including homosexuals in the class of people protected by anti-discrimination laws.

One final comment: he ridicules “earnest and impractical” libertarians for being “eager to corner you with their plan for using old refrigerators to reverse global warming…” I don’t know what addled libertarians he’s hanging out with, but this is a new one to me; most libertarians thing global warming is not a problem in the first place.

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Robert Ringer, Former Libertarian

See below about Ringer’s defection from the fold–because of 9/11, the need to use the state to beat up bad ay-rabs, etc., I guess. (See also this post on Reason’s Hit and Run about Ringer’s defection, where Jesse Walker notes “I’ve always been a little embarrassed that Robert ‘Winning Through Intimidation’ Ringer considers himself a libertarian, so it is with a light heart and a bounce in my step that I report that he has left the fold. Liberty, he writes, is ‘the noblest of all objectives,’ but it ‘often collides with the dominant aspect of secular life: reality.'”)

I wonder if he’s still pro-war? Jesus. Maybe so — here he seems to yearn for the halcyon days when the Western white countries could invade and occupy the benighted swarthy countries and give them the benefits of our wonderful western institutions — but, unfortunately, we are too broke to afford to do this now (gee, I wonder why?).

Update: See also Jesse Walker, Hip-Hopping Hordes Send Tortoise Packing and Creative Common Law Project, R.I.P. and Waystation Libertarians

 

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Bomb bomp bomp, Another One Bites the Dust-a: Robert Ringer on The Survival of Western Civilization

Posted by Stephan Kinsella on September 8, 2006 03:05 PM

The Survival of Western Civilization.

The past 25 years have been an intellectual tug of war for me. Morally, my soul is still attached to the notion that the keystone of libertarianism—liberty—must be given a higher priority than all other objectives. The problem, however, is that this noblest of all objectives often collides with the dominant aspect of secular life: reality.

Uh oh. Guess where this is going. This remark might give you a clue: “Clearly, freedom haters throughout the world fully understand that America’s greatest strength—democracy—is also its Achilles heel.”

What will we do after having lost our very own libertarian Zig Ziglar?! Oh no!

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Bomb bomp bomp, Another One Bites the Dust-a: Robert Ringer on The Survival of Western Civilization

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Objectivism, Bidinotto, and Anarchy

Update: “Machan doesn’t really mean even this, since he helpfully adds, “I will only mention that I am not in principle against world government…” Of course, world government would eliminate any possibility of emigration or immigration altogether, unless, perhaps, one intends to emigrate to Mars! ” From this review of Machan’s book. [Review is down: it’s on the archive, and pasted below; see also Bidinotto’s response to me here. ]

Update: See Robert Bidinotto, Am I Still an “Objectivist”? (Sep. 17, 2017).

Extracts below from a debate I had with Bidinotto about anarchy vs. minarchy.

See also Rand, Objectivism, and One-World Government. And, from LRC blog, see Objectivism v. Anarchy: [continue reading…]

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Rand, Objectivism, and One-World Government

Update: “Machan doesn’t really mean even this, since he helpfully adds, “I will only mention that I am not in principle against world government…” Of course, world government would eliminate any possibility of emigration or immigration altogether, unless, perhaps, one intends to emigrate to Mars! ” From this review of Machan’s book. In full:

Block brings up an issue I do not address, namely, world government, so since I didn’t introduce it I will only mention that I am not in principle against world government any more than Block could be against, using his own terms, a naturally emerging (say, via giant mergers) world-wide defense-insurance agency.

Tibor R. Machan, “Reconciling Anarchism and Minarchism,” in Roderick T. Long & Tibor R. Machan, Anarchism/Minarchism: Is a Government Part of a Free Country? (Ashgate, 2008), p. 81.

Update: See also Objectivism, Bidinotto, and Anarchy; and the comments of John Donohue, an Objectivist, here (also copied here):

John Donohue: “‘Bala: Incidentally, do you favor one world government?’
“Me: Yes, I would favor a world government based on Objectivist/Enlightenment principles of individual rights with a government monopoly on the rectification of initiation of force. That is called freedom and peace on earth.”

Wow, it is almost creepy how these guys will actually admit it. They are in favor of one-world government. Jesus, they admit it!

From Supreme Court: Innocence is No Defense:

This conservative-statist emphasis on the importance on “finality” reminds of the similar Objectivist view–see, e.g, Anarchy Reigns; and the “Randians and One-World Government” in Libertarian Centralists; and Roderick Long’s comments about the Objectivists’ belief in the need for a “final arbiter” in his excellent Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objections.

See my post Hoppe on Liberal Economies and War; and Before Vandanarchists, there were … Randanarchists!

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From my post Libertarian Centralists:

Randians and One-World Government

I also mean some Randians, who seem to have a rosy view of America and American justice and our Constitutional system, and who also hold views that seem to logicaly imply one-world government (the ultimate in centralism), despite stating elsewhere that they oppose one-world government. Objectivists seem obsessed in rationalist-constructivist manner over the alleged need to have a “final arbiter” who can settle disputes (apparently, whether the final decision is right or wrong–so long as it’s “final”), and have a their rabid opposition and hostility to anarchy because of the possibility of disputes between independent states. If anarchy is flawed because of the problems of competing defense agencies who are not subject to the authority of a final arbiter, the Randian is logically committed to favoring an end to the current international anarchy of 200 nations not subject to a unified, “rational” government. [continue reading…]

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Libertarian Centralists

From Mises blog. Archived comments below.

See also Incorporation and the Fourteenth Amendment: The 140 Year Old “Riddle”  (Aug. 18, 2008).

Update: For related posts:

 

Libertarian Centralists

[Archived comments below]

June 7, 2005 1:57 PM by Stephan Kinsella | Other posts by Stephan Kinsella | Comments (11)

In another post, I made the offhand comment that the recent Supreme Court marijuana decision shows that libertarian centralists are naive in hoping to get justice from federal courts. Tibor Machan complained that I am not naming names.

The issue of “libertarian centralists” has been discussed at length. See the post Healy on States’ Rights and Libertarian Centralists, which contains many links to many discussions of this topic.

Federal Review-Fourteenth Amendment

To clarify and elaborate a bit, what I mean specifically are those libertarians who are in favor of centralizing more jurisdiction at the federal level so that the federal courts can strike down “bad” state laws. I include here the libertarians who (a) believe that the Constitution does permit the federal courts to review state laws for compliance with the rights implicit in the Bill of Rights; and (b) believe that it’s a good, libertarian idea for the feds to have the power to do this. [continue reading…]

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Hoppe on Liberal Economies and War

Oldie but goodie from Mises blog. Archived comments below. See also LewRockwell.com cross-post.

Hoppe on Liberal Economies and War

January 25, 2005 4:10 PM by Stephan Kinsella | Other posts by Stephan Kinsella | Comments (2)

One of my many favorite Hoppe quotes, from his Banking, Nation States and International Politics: A Sociological Reconstruction of the Present Economic Order, Review of Austrian Economics, (Vol. 4 Num. 1), 1990 [now in Economics and Ethics of Private Property, ch. 3, which explains why the relatively rich, Western countries, which have relatively liberal internal economic policies, would tend to be militarily more powerful, and thus more aggressive, than developing states.

The need for a productive economy that a warring state must have also explains why it is that ceteris paribus those states which have adjusted their internal redistributive policies so as to decrease the importance of economic regulations relative to that of taxation tend to outstrip their competitors in the arena of international politics. Regulations through which states either compel or prohibit certain exchanges between two or more private persons as well as taxation imply a non-productive and/or non-contractual income expropriation and thus both damage homesteaders, producers or contractors [i.e., those that cause wealth to come into existence]. However, while by no means less destructive of productive output than taxation, regulations have the peculiar characteristic of requiring the state’s control over economic resources in order to become enforceable without simultaneously increasing the resources at its disposal. In practice, this is to say that they require the state’s command over taxes, yet they produce no monetary income for the state (instead, they satisfy pure power lust, as when A, for no material gain of his own, prohibits B and C from engaging in mutually beneficial trade). On the other hand, taxation and a redistribution of tax revenue according to the principle “from Peter to Paul,” increases the economic means at the government’s disposal at least by its own “handling charge” for the act of redistribution. Since a policy of taxation, and taxation without regulation, yields a higher monetary return to the state (and with this more resources expendable on the war effort!) than a policy of regulation, and regulation with taxation, states must move in the direction of a comparatively deregulated economy and a comparatively pure tax-state in order to avoid international defeat.

[See also similar comments in chapters 2 and 4 of Economics and Ethics of Private Property]

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Great piece by Napolitano in the Wall Street Journal. He argues there is no constitutional authority for Congress to regulate the provision of healthcare; and that it is not to be found in the commerce clause.

I agree… but the more skeptical I get of the Constitution’s legitimacy and the events that led to its founding (in part due to Hummel’s great article and others), I wonder if the commerce clause really was intended to be so limited–and if its original understanding is as innocuous and limited as we libertarians often argue, and would like to believe. Sheldon Richman argues (based on Crosskey et al.) that of course it was meant to centralize power, but the federalists had to pretend it did not during debates with the anti-feds (which could affect the public meaning of the words ultimately ratified, I suppose, but still). I.e., maybe Wickard v. Filburn was right–maybe the IC clause is basically a (sneaky) grant of plenary legislative power to Congress–which means there is even more reason to reject the Constitution’s validity.

To be clear, I don’t quite accept Richman’s reasoning–for one reason, Richman’s vision of the meaning of federalism and enumerated powers is somewhat different from mine in this regard, since he takes the term “perpetual union” to prohibit secession, which is ridiculous in my view (the word “perpetual” is not a grant of power to the feds to do anything about it), making me skeptical of his reading of the IC clause as well. No doubt the federalists wanted to centralize; but I think they were not able to do it completely; the antifederalists blocked them, and forced them to give public declarations of the meaning of unclear terms before ratification, which has some bearing on the original public meaning of these provisions–that is, the antifederalists succeeded in boxing in the federalists. At least to some degree.

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Re: Kindle v. Netbook v. ePub, Bookworm and Stanza

From LRC, below. And an update: another reason I expect Kindle to fail: it’s not color, no touch, slow refresh, and unsuitable for any browsing. Media pads/tablets, like the rumoured iPad, the CrunchPad, even things like Archos 5 Internet Tablet, will be the book reader of choice, in my view–many people already use iPhones and iPod Touches for this, despite their small screens.

Re: Kindle v. Netbook v. ePub, Bookworm and Stanza

Posted by Stephan Kinsella on February 27, 2009 10:20 AM

Karen, your post about the Kindle is right on. I’ve been on the fence for a while about getting a Kindle, and when Kindle 2 came out, I was a bit closer. But the more I thought about it–why get it? It is expensive, it is not color, no touch screen, terrible keyboard and searching, DRM, books are not that much cheaper (they ought to be 50 cents not $10), there is no light, browsing is no good on it, you can’t easily take notes, you can’t loan or sell your book after done with it, and normal books are nicer. And I don’t subscribe to newspapers or magazines–and really, how many books do you need on a vacation? Maybe for students it replaces a bunch of textbooks–but so could a notebook or netbook computer. (See also 10 reasons to buy a Kindle 2… and 10 reasons not to.) [continue reading…]

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I formerly called this feature “Pretentious Terms of the Slate Podcast Literati.” But after debate and reflection, I am changing it to the more ungainly and accurate, but less insulting and offensive, “Interesting and Notable Words and Phrases”. These are words and turns of phrase I notice: either interesting, or delicious, or perhaps a bit too fancy or strained or, yes, in some cases, maybe pretentious, or even misused. But usually just interesting and notable.

Latest notable terms from today’s Slate Culture Gabfest (feel free to email me suggestions or leave them in the comments to the main page):

  • ascribe [SM] (just kidding on this one!)
  • cuneiform [not too notable except SM pronounces it the way everyone else does, DS says kyoo-NAY-ih-form]
  • giant nougat of incivility [SM]
  • l’esprit de l’escalier [SM, a new one on me, I’ll admit]
  • triptych [DS]
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Paglia: “men make everything hotter”

Hey, Camille said it, not me: “After a lifetime of observation, I must regretfully conclude that men make everything hotter — whether in gay or straight porn.”

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Hoppe Is Not A Monarchist

Hoppe is repeatedly accused by people who are either uncharitable or who have reading comprehension problems of being a “monarchist.” But as Lew Rockwell notes, Hoppe “contrasted [democracy] with monarchy, not because he favors monarchy but rather to help us understand.” Hoppe argues that the incentives faced by a monarch would tend to make him make better decisions to highlight the even worse problems of a democratic system. It is not a defense of monarchy.

And as Hoppe has explicitly stated, [continue reading…]

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